HC Deb 30 April 1990 vol 171 cc830-40

'( )—(1) This section shall have effect for the purpose of reducing pollution from electricity generating stations.

(2) The Secretary of State shall, in making any regulations establishing standards, objectives or requirements in relation to prescribed processes or harmful substances under section 3(1) below lay before parliament on behalf of Her Majesty's Government a programme for the introduction of flue gas desulphurisation in electricity generating stations.'.—[Mrs. Ann Taylor.]

Brought up, and read the First time.

Motion made, and Question proposed, That the clause be read a Second time.—[Mrs. Ann Taylor.]

Madam Deputy Speaker

With this it will be convenient to take new clause 7—Plan to reduce carbon dioxide emissions— '(1) The Secretary of State shall draw up a plan to achieve a reduction of total annual emissions of carbon dioxide, based on measurements of such emissions made in 1980 in the United Kingdom, of:

  1. (a) 20% by 31st December 1999;
  2. (b) 25% by 31st December 2004;
  3. (c) 35% by 31st December 2010;
  4. (d) 50% by 31st December 2020;
(2) The plan established in subsection (1) above may include—
  1. (a) measures for the promotion of combined heat and power schemes;
  2. (b) measures to promote the use of passive solar heating;
  3. (c) provisions for progressive improvement in the design of new or improved building or heat generating products for energy efficiency;
  4. (d) a programme to improve energy efficiency in the public sector;
  5. (e) the introduction of least-cost planning in the electricity industry;
  6. (f) a comprehensive programme of other energy efficiency measures, including a campaign to increase energy saving and the provision of grants to householders and others for specified energy saving measures;
  7. (g) a programme of research and development into techniques for removing carbon dioxide from motor vehicle exhaust gases;
  8. (h) increased provision for energy generation by sources that do not emit carbon dioxide or produce radioactive wastes.
(3) The plan established under subsection (1) above may include measures that achieve a proven increase in the absorption of carbon dioxide by natural means. (4) The Secretary of State shall before establishing the plan under this clause consult with such persons and organisations as he deems appropriate.'

Mr. Kevin Barron (Rother Valley)

The new clause is a test of the Government's commitment to the environment. The fitting of flue gas desulphurisation has had a chequered passage in the past 12 months. Three months ago, the Secretary of State for Energy admitted that the Government have backed down on their previous commitment to reduce the emissions from power stations of gases that cause acid rain. On 4 April, he gleefully announced that an 8 GW flue gas desulphurisation capacity is likely to be fitted by National Power and PowerGen, as if it were an achievement of which he could be proud. Since June 1989, the Government have been committed to a 12 GW programme. The then Secretary of State announced: I am able to confirm today that we have asked the privatised generators to continue to plan on the basis of installing 12,000 MW of FGD capacity during the 1990s."—[Official Report, 26 June 1989; Vol. 155, c. 764.] In August 1989, the consultation paper from the Department of the Environment said: In order to achieve the necessary reduction in its SO, emissions, the electricity supply industry plans to retrofit 12,000 MW of generating capacity with FGD equipment. It estimates that this will cost £1.9 billion. Events moved on. In November 1989, the Prime Minister joined in. She told a United Nations conference on the global environment: We already have a £2 billion programme of improvement to reduce acid rain emissions from our power stations. In December, the Minister restated the Government's promise that the electricity industry would be retrofitting at least 12,000 MW of electricity generating capacity with flue gas desulphurisation equipment.

Something happened between December last year and now. In the new year, Energy Ministers told us that, while they were committed to meeting European targets for the reduction of sulphur emissions, it was up to the industry to decide how that would be done. Yet again, they are rolling over to fall in with the demands of the City and the two generating companies to secure the sale of the electricity industry.

The £2 billion programme about which the Prime Minister boasted to the rest of the world is to be slashed in the interests of privatisation. Cleaning our electricity industry is too big a liability for the City to take on. Despite their claims, the Government are unlikely to meet even the low targets set by the large combustion plant directive. After consistent protestations by the Government that lower targets are needed in the United Kingdom because of the need to install FGD equipment, the European Commission allowed us to set relatively low targets for the reduction of sulphur dioxide emissions, at 20 per cent. by 1993, 40 per cent. by 1998 and 60 per cent. by 2003.

Our targets are far lower than those set for West Germany, the other major European coal producer. It has targets of 40, 60 and 70 per cent. over the same period. It has had a retrofitting programme for over a decade. It has worked internationally in co-operation with the Electric Power Development Company of Japan, which has been setting standards in power generation using advanced technology on pollution controls for over a decade. That is why, by 1993, sulphur emissions from West German power stations will have been cut by over 80 per cent., through the fitting of over 40,000 MW of plant with 116 desulphurisation units.

In comparison, Britain has a pathetic record. It has delayed the start of retrofitting Drax B since October 1987, which was part of the game of poker played between the Government and the Central Electricity Generating Board, which knew that it was to be privatised. Despite the announcement that it would be retrofitted, the project to deal with Fiddler's Ferry, a large coal-fired power station, has been cancelled. It is no wonder that we now expect a European Community inquiry into the latest Government U-turn from an agreement. After all, our European partners might justifiably argue that if FGD is not to be fitted, the reason for the lenient targets agreed for Britain has disappeared and that those targets should be tightened. The Government want to move on to a privatised Employment Services Agency, lower targets arid no commitment to a full FGD programme. They claim that the European targets can be met either by importing low-sulphur coal—British pits that were producing that sort of coal have been closed over the past five years—or by burning gas. These so-called solutions are not options to retrofitting FGD.

9.45 pm
Mr. Ian Bruce (Dorset, South)

Would the proposals that the Opposition would like to see implemented increase the cost of electricity or would they, if they were in government, subsidise the extra costs by the use of central Government funds? How large would the extra bill be? I refer especially to the percentage rise in electricity prices and-or the subsidy from the taxpayer.

Mr. Barron

There would not have to be any extra cost. Over the past three years, electricity prices have been increased because of the privatisation of the industry. In 1987–88, the trading profit of the Central Electricity Generating Board was £579 million. In 1988–89, it was £864 million. In 1989–90, the third successive year in which electricity prices increased as a result of a Government directive, the Central Electricity Generating Board's trading profit was £1.1 billion. That sum would be enough to complete half of the programme of retrofitting FGD.

The importing of low-sulphur coal is not an alternative to the retrofitting of FGD. If that coal is used in all coal-burning power stations, emissions will be cut by only 50 per cent., but the retrofitting of FGD could slash emissions by 90 per cent. The use of low-sulphur coal would not eliminate the need for FGD, and we should not let this Government or any other Administration tell us that it would.

Last year, I visited some power stations in Japan. One of the stations burnt coal with a relatively low sulphur content of about 4.46 per cent. It also had desulphurisation equipment, which had been fitted in 1976. The original technology was designed in Britain but was not used, as it should have been. Without FGD, low-sulphur coal imports could increase to 40 million tonnes early in the next century. That would worsen our balance of payments and expose the electricity industry to grave risks in terms of security of supply and of prices.

Gas burn to generate electricity is accepted to be a waste of a premium resource. To burn gas to any great extent would hasten the day when we would become a net importer of gas. It would pose a threat to prices, to security of supply and to our balance of payments. There are no easy options for the Government.

Mr. Hardy

Will my hon. Friend confirm that, with the balance of payments deficit as horrifying as it is, it would be a lunatic course for Britain to develop a dependence on ever-increasing supplies of low-sulphur coal at an ever-increasing price, and that to place additional reliance on imported gas at an ever-increasing price would be equally unwise?

Mr. Barron

I confirm what my hon. Friend has said. In the past six months we have moved into a deficit in the energy sector of the balance of payments. That is ridiculous when the United Kingdom is so rich in fossil fuel resources. The rest of the world must be laughing at us.

There are some people at the Department of the Environment who agree with our analysis of gas burn. In a written answer on 1 March, the Minister for the Environment and Countryside stated: Her Majesty's inspectorate of pollution regard the fitting of flue gas desulphurisation equipment as the best practicable means for limiting emissions of sulphur dioxide from coal or oil fired power stations."—[Official Report, 1 March 1990; Vol. 168, c. 291.] In the "Digest of Environmental Protection and Water Statistics", the Department maintains that to achieve the Directive targets, 12 billion watts of generating capacity (the equivalent of six large coal-fired powers stations, over 38 per cent. of coal-fired capacity) will need to be retrofitted with flue gas desulphurisation equipment. I wonder whether anyone told the Department of Energy about the views of the Department of the Environment, or whether the Department of Energy understands the commitment to implement the large combustion plant directive to which this country is a signatory. While Energy Ministers say that the targets achieved are a matter for the electricity generators, Environment Ministers say that the pollution inspectorate, on behalf of the Government, is preparing detailed notes on the operation of large combustion plants which will specify the SO2 emission standards to be achieved in plants of different sizes."—[Official Report, 15 February 1990; Vol. 167, c. 411.] While Energy Ministers say that a greater use of natural gas will have a role, Environment Ministers say that it will cost more than twice as much as FGD per tonne of SO2 abated. Even civil servants cannot defend the Government's change of heart, or so it would appear from the performance of the Under-Secretary in the electricity division of the Department of Energy at a meeting of the Select Committee last week. Mr. Wilcock apparently could tell the Committee only that it was for the generating companies to decide what would be retrofitted.

Mr. Geoffrey Lofthouse (Pontefract and Castleford)

During the many years that I have served on the Select Committee, I have never known a witness to treat it with more contempt than was shown by Mr. Wilcock. However, I have some sympathy with him. The Prime Minister's speech, to which my hon. Friend referred, said that there would be a £2 billion programme. Mr. Wilcock had to come to the Select Committee and defend a 40 per cent. cut in that programme. Had he been at liberty to do so, he could have said that the 40 per cent. cut would mean a further rapid rundown of the mining industry and that the chief executives of both National Power and PowerGen had admitted that there would be further imports of 25 million tonnes of low-sulphur coal. If that is true, during the next decade the mining industry will be down to between 5,000 and 10,000 men, having had a 170,000 work force in 1984. Is not it lunacy to run down an industry providing a national source of energy and depend instead on foreign competition?

Mr. Barron

I can only agree with my hon. Friend. Of course, 10 or 15 years ago no one would have thought that Britain could sustain a £20 billion trade deficit, yet that fact is hardly even referred to by the Government.

It is for the Government to make decisions, as they will have to in the summer on the question of the inspectorate of pollution. It is no wonder that the European Commission is confused about the Government's policies. Ministers appear to be equally confused. Should their priority be the sale of the electricity industry on terms acceptable to the City or should it be the achievement of an effective and lasting cleaner environment?

The new clause was tabled to try to get answers from the Government. We want to know whether the Bill will prove to our European partners that the Government are serious about the EEC directive to which this country is now a signatory, and prove to the people of Britain that they are committed to the environment and not to the whims of the City by privatising industries such as electricity generation.

Mr. Simon Hughes

I wish to speak to new clause 7. Like the hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron), who asked the Minister to explain the Government's view on desulphurisation, I want the Minister to explain the Government's policy on the reduction of carbon dioxide. New clause 7 makes clear the view held by many environmentalists that the Government need to be far more committed to the reduction of carbon dioxide through a phased but urgent programme, as set out in the new clause. In recent years the Government's energy policy has been a reluctant statement on desulphurisation and on carbon dioxide emissions, from which the Government then resiled. That is sad.

If the Government want to be seen as entering the 1990s and the next century as committed environmentalists, they have an opportunity to do so through energy policy. The Government's response to new clauses 4 and 7 is the most crucial test of their sense of urgency—which will be revealed for all to see, or otherwise. I hope that the Minister has persuaded his colleagues to be far more enthusiastic than they have been in the past.

Mr. Trippier

There can be no doubt of our commitment to reducing gas emissions from power stations and other sources. Right hon. and hon. Members in all parts of the House are aware that we shall cut emissions of both SO2 and NOx by implementing the EC's combustion plants directive, which requires staged reductions in both gases in existing plants. Clause 3(5) gives my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State the power to issue a national plan to reduce emissions from each industrial centre sector covered by the directive. That plan will provide the framework for Her Majesty's inspectorate of pollution in dealing with emission limit authorisations on a plant-by-plant basis to ensure that the planned reductions are achieved.

So far as those reductions are to be met by means of flue gas desulphurisation, that will be reflected in the conditions on the plant authorisation. But we have no intention of dictating to the oil refiners or to manufacturing industry how they are to achieve their share of the cuts in emissions the United Kingdom will make. Nor shall we do so, as the electricity generators amendment would seem to require. One of the aims of privatising the supply industry is precisely to get away from that kind of state planning.

For the medium term, FGD will play an important role in reducing SO2 emissions from existing power plants. The 4,000 MW retrofit at Drax is already under way, and applications for a further 4,000 MW of FGD are expected from PowerGen. But the generating market has changed markedly even since the directive was agreed in 1988, and in the longer term it would be absurd not to capitalise on the environmental and commercial advantages of alternative means of generation.

For example, power generation by combined cycle gas turbines has advantages of efficiency and reduced carbon dioxide emissions as well as a considerable potential for sulphur abatement. A clause in effect requiring the Government to compel the electricity industry to invest in FGD retrofits when environmentally better means of reducing sulphur dioxide emissions are available would serve no useful purpose, and it would cut across the freedom to decide how to implement the directive that we consistently said operators would have.

Turning to new clause 7, the Government have made it clear on many occasions that they share the hon. Member's concern about climate change, but we have also stressed the need for an effective response to have two essential elements. First, it should have a sound scientific basis, and our understanding of climate change will be significantly improved by the report of the inter-governmental panel on climate change in August. Right hon. and hon. Members may know that we are playing a more active and constructive part in the work of the IPCC leading up to that report. Secondly, our response must be through concerted international action. That is why we have urged that preparations begin for negotiating an international convention on climate change. Of course we are already taking many steps to help reduce our emissions of CO2 through actions that are justified in their own right. We support the promotion of energy efficiency, fund research and development into renewable energy sources, launched a drive to improve energy efficiency in Government, and are pressing the EC to bring forward proposals to control CO2 emissions from cars. The full range of steps described in clause 7(2) are already in hand.

The amendment lacks a credible scientific basis. What reduction in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will these reductions achieve? What will be the effect on temperature rises? How will we avoid simply exporting these emissions elsewhere? It is an extremely complex area.

I am delighted that the chairman of working group I within the IPCC, Dr. John Houghton, who heads the Meteorological Office, has produced a report making it clear that there is a degree of global warming, that none of us can be complacent, and that we cannot carry on business as usual. I had the privilege of leading British delegations, in particular to the conference at Noordwijk where we were party to that declaration. We shall stand by it. How we deliver the reductions or achieve stabilisation will have to be outlined in the forthcoming White Paper.

The most important international conference to take place this year will be the world climate change conference in Geneva in November in which we hope to play a significant part. We hope that internationally we can move forward on that front.

It being Ten o'clock, the debate stood adjourned.

Ordered, That, at this day's sitting, the Environmental Protection Bill may be proceeded with, though opposed, until any hour.—[Mr. Dorrell.]

As amended, again considered.

Question again proposed, That the clause be read a Second time.

Mr. Barron

I am dissatisfied with what the Minister has said. Three years ago a commitment was made about this issue. The Government have ratted on that commitment, not just to the industry but to the environment. We shall therefore divide the House on the new clause.

Question put, That the clause be read a Second time:—

The House divided: Ayes 210, Noes 325.

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Stevens, Lewis Wood, Timothy
Stewart, Allan (Eastwood) Yeo, Tim
Stewart, Andy (Sherwood) Young, Sir George (Acton)
Stewart, Rt Hon Ian (Herts N) Younger, Rt Hon George
Stokes, Sir John
Stradling Thomas, Sir John Tellers for the Noes:
Sumberg, David Mr. David Lightbown and Mr. Stephen Dorrell.
Summerson, Hugo
Tapsell, Sir Peter

Question accordingly negatived.

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