§ 1 and 2. Mr. Brooks
asked the Secretary of State for Wales (1) whether he will publish in the Official Report a list of those appointments in national or local government service in Wales from which non-Welsh speakers are excluded; and if he will make a statement;
§ (2) whether he will take steps to end the practice whereby various public appointments in Wales discriminate against those of otherwise high ability on the basis of their inability to speak a minority language within the Principality.
§ The Secretary of State for Wales (Mr. George Thomas)
I am not aware of any such discrimination. Appointments to public bodies in Wales for which I have responsibility are made on merit and the requirement of ability to speak Welsh arises only where the qualification is necessary for the proper performance of the duties concerned.
Information as to central and local government appointments calling for Welsh-speaking ability is not readily available and its collection would involve a disproportionate expenditure of time and money.
§ Mr. Brooks
Does my right hon. Friend agree that in some of the more populated 1256 parts of Wales Welsh is almost as dead a language as Anglo-Saxon in England and discrimination against English-speaking applicants for jobs in such areas is little better than a protection racket designed to give jobs to the boys?
§ Mr. Thomas
I am surprised at my hon. Friend the Member for Bebington (Mr. Brooks). I have just told him that I have no evidence of discrimination. If he, with his interest in our affairs—which we welcome—can produce evidence, I will gladly look at it.
§ Mr. Gibson-Watt
We on this side of the House would like to take this opportunity of welcoming the right hon. Gentleman back to the Welsh Office. He is in no way a prodigal son. We wish him well in his efforts in the Cabinet in pushing forward matters of importance to Wales.
Was not the subject of the Question to some extent touched on during our discussions in the Welsh Grand Committee concerning the Report of the Hughes Parry Committee?
§ Mr. Thomas
I am deeply grateful to the hon. Member for Hereford (Mr. Gibson-Watt). Mr. Llefarydd, r'wy'n hapus iawn heddiw. I know it is out of order to go on too long, but I merely said that I am happy to be in this office.
The question of discrimination has been gone into in great depth.
§ Mr. James Griffiths
I, too, offer my congratulations and good wishes to my right hon. Friend.
With regard to the reference in Question No. 2 to a minority language, is my right hon. Friend aware that Welsh is the oldest living language in Europe and is so precious that many of us hope that it will go on for ever?
§ Mr. Gwynfor Evans
Is the Secretary of State aware that Welsh has been the only language spoken in most of Wales over most of its history and has been the only language of Government? Is he also aware that that would be the situation today if Welshmen had enjoyed self-government throughout the centuries?
§ Mr. Thomas
I may add that it was this Government which, for the first time, gave equal validity to the Welsh language with the English language. As long as I am in this office I shall do all I can to ensure that those who want the facility to learn and speak it shall have it.
§ Mr. J. Idwal Jones
Is my right hon. Friend aware that this matter has been thoroughly considered in the Welsh Grand Committee and on the Floor of the House in connection with the validity of the Welsh language? Is he also aware that highest posts in the academic sector in Wales are held at present by persons who are unable to speak Welsh?
§ Mr. Thomas
It is equally true that some of the highest posts in England are held by those who do speak Welsh.