§ Considered in Committee under Standing Order No. 84 (Money Committees) — [Queen's Recommendation signified.]
§ [Sir CHARLES MACANDREW in the Chair]
Motion made, and Question proposed.
That, for the purposes of any Act of the present Session to increase the rate of certain allowances under the Family Allowances Acts, 1945 and 1952, it is expedient to authorise the payment out of moneys provided by Parliament"—
§ 7.33 p. m.
§ Mr. H. A. Marquand (Middlesbrough, East)
I do not wish to delay the Committee, but I would like to make a remark or two about one passage in the Money 1909 Resolution now before us, where provision is made forincreasing by two shillings the weekly rate of the allowance payable in respect of each child of a family other than the two eldestBeing so very narrowly drawn, that provision confines us entirely within the ambit of the Bill; we could not, under this Resolution, move to increase the 2s. or to pay the allowance, as we would like to do, for the second child as well as the third.
I do not think the Minister will disagree with that interpretation. I only want to make it clear, because it is sometimes misunderstood outside this Committee. We maintain the attitude we expressed on Second Reading, but it will unfortunately not be possible for us to move appropriate Amendments in Committee.
§ Dr. Horace King (Southampton, Itchen)
Can the Minister give us any assurance that we shall, under the terms of this Money Resolution, have an opportunity of discussing in Committee some of the points we raised during the Second Reading debate.
§ The Minister of Pensions and National Insurance (Mr. John Boyd-Carpenter)
It is not, of course, for me to give any ruling as to what may or may not be in order at various stages of the Bill. So far as the point raised by the right hon. Gentleman the Member for Middles- 1910 brough, East (Mr. Marquand) is concerned, my first impression leads me to agree with him, though I say that with due respect to the Chair, which must make the rulings on these subjects.
The hon. Gentleman the Member for Itchen (Dr. King) raises a more general question, and I am not myself clear which particular provisions he has in mind. This Money Resolution operates mainly in respect of that part of the Bill which deals with the charge on the Exchequer, in respect of which, of course, a Money Resolution is necessary, otherwise, under the Standing Orders, the Standing Committee would not be able to take those Clauses which impose a charge on the Exchequer. It is necessary, therefore, for those Clauses to be covered. As one can see from the framing of it, the Money Resolution is not designed, except in respect of certain limiting matters, to deal with what I might call the National Insurance side, though it has to deal with the charge in the first place, even where the Exchequer will be reimbursed from the Fund, and with the administrative expenses.
Certainly, so far as the generality of the matter is concerned, I should have thought—subject again to the fact that it is not for me—that we should not be involved in any difficulties.
§ Question put and agreed to.
§ Resolution to be reported upon Thursday.